This likely half-sibling relationship between Leta, who is currently engaged to Newt’s brother Theseus, and Credence introduces new reasons to worry that Credence may wind up siding with Grindelwald. Whoopdie-do! At most he thinks he lost it in the chaos. The Dumbledores were the subject of much gossip, since Ariana was rarely seen, and a fist fight broke out at her funeral between her older brothers.How… OK this had me laughing for a while. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 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Creedance is the son of Albus, who did not know he fathered a son. I like this and all, but Grindelwald says "Your brother seeks to kill you," referring to Albus, to Credence at the big reveal. At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. I will be really disappointed otherwise. Later in the film, Leta corrects everyone's assumption that Credence is her younger half-brother Corvus by revealing that he died during a trip to America with the family midwife. Guess what? The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Fantastic Beasts 2 is set in 1927. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . Is it possible that maybe Dumbledore is trying to protect credence so HE sent the Phoenix to him? Grindelwald is lying completely to Creedance, and is using his immense, uncontrollable power to try to take out Albus. All this stuff about the aunt being the mother or him not even being real just seems a little crazy. Also, people thought Credence was born in 1904 due to an adoption paper, but no one knew when Credence was born as he was swapped. Now here's what I'm thinking, sometime between 1899 and 1901... she became pregnant (a teen pregnancy yes, I know, but it does happen, I'm really not sure why people are saying it's impossible just because she was approximately only 15 or 16, in fact teen pregnancies were quite a common problem in England during the time of the first Harry Potter books being written). Now, here’s where things get a bit tricky. Grindelwald cannot possibly know that the pact-vial was given to Albus. Harry's kid doesn't have a scar on his forehead because he inherited the scar-on-the-forehead gene from his dad, because that's not how GD genetics work. Anyway, for the sake of the series and the fandom I hope the Credence is Dumbledore thing if just Grindelwald bulshit. Was he lying? The big secret that Rowling has been sitting on for all these years, Ariana is an Obscurial. Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. So for Kendra, we have a very short time frame. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! SIGH. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… She's probably building up to some sort of luke/vadar moment at the end of the fourth movie. Wiki: “Ariana died when she was accidentally struck by a curse in a three-way duel between her older brothers and Gellert Grindelwald.”. I seriously doubt Percival would have remarried - everything he did, he did for the safety of his family, and he could have easily told the truth about Ariana's situation and gotten a reduced sentence. I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. This whole theory is based on the what you believe to be true. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} He wouldn't tell Creedance because the emotional drama of him believing he is a Dumbledore will give Creedance even more power. percival was sent to azkaban where he then died in 1890, kendra died in 1889 and credence wasn’t born until 1901. (just an opinion though). What she needs is an editor who will tell her “this may work for a book, but this isn’t gonna fly for a movie”, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. And that Credence’s brother … Plotholes across the board, but mostly he's gay. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{height:24px;vertical-align:middle;width:24px}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} There's absolutely no way he could have known about Credence's heritage if Percival was the father, and if Grindelwald was able to learn of Credence's birth if Kendra was the mother, then so should Albus and everyone else in Godric's Hollow. I could see this being true if he just told Credence he is a Dumbledore, but he told him he's Aurelius Dumbledore. Creedance is not blood related to Dumbledore, but instead hosts her Obscurus. That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. Ariana was an Obscurial, thus creating an Obscurus. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} ETA: Assuming Grindelwald isn't flat-out lying. he literally can’t be. No one did. The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. Aurelius Dumbledore, as Grindelwald names him. Grindelwald certainly could be flat out lying, but that'd be a bit too Last Jedi for me :P "you're not a Dumbledore, you're nobody". As for Percival, well, we don't exactly know the year in which he died, nor if his sentence was permanent. .Rd5g7JmL4Fdk-aZi1-U_V{transition:all .1s linear 0s}._2TMXtA984ePtHXMkOpHNQm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;margin-bottom:4px}.CneW1mCG4WJXxJbZl5tzH{border-top:1px solid var(--newRedditTheme-line);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:none;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:middle;margin-bottom:2px;margin-left:4px;cursor:pointer}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover ._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{display:inline-block}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs{border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B.IeceazVNz_gGZfKXub0ak,._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk{margin-top:25px;left:-9px}._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:focus-within,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:hover{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border:none;padding:8px 8px 0}._25yWxLGH4C6j26OKFx8kD5{display:inline}._2YsVWIEj0doZMxreeY6iDG{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;padding:4px 6px}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;margin-left:auto;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg,._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq{font-weight:700;color:#ff4500;text-transform:uppercase;margin-right:4px}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq,.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-weight:400;-ms-flex-preferred-size:100%;flex-basis:100%;margin-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX{margin-top:6px}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._3MAHaXXXXi9Xrmc_oMPTdP{margin-top:4px} That would be Credence. He tells Credence that his “brother” has been trying to stop him, implying that his brother is Albus Dumbledore. Grindelwald may not be intentionally lying, he may be misunderstanding the true reason for the return of the Phoenix. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a Or is there a theory? Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. I did think for a second too that it could be grindelwalds but the fact that the phoenix shows up made me scrap that idea. Fantastic Beasts Theory: Credence ISN'T A [SPOILER] In Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald, Gellert Grindelwald could actually be lying to Credence Barebone about his supposed true identity. Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. 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